Contact Et comme dit Bernard, il serait plus judicieux de garder tes sous pour investir dans des roues. The main differences between Shimano 105 vs Ultegra are: Shimano 105 dual control levers weigh 500g, whereas Ultegra weighs 438; Shimano 105 brakes cost around 50$, whereas Ultegra cost approximately $130; Shimano 105 is designed for beginner and intermediate cyclists, whereas Ultegra is designed for professional cyclists. Similarly, electronic shifting (Di2) first appears in 2009 (7970), then two years later in Ultegra (6770, but with 10 speed only), and still has yet to appear in the 105 (presumably with the 5870 or 5970). Now will I ever like Carbon as much as Titanium? (For completeness, Tiagra is next, followed by Sora and Claris. Féminines But I’m deluded and believe that this might make me a better cyclist. As far as everything else, the difference between the 6800 and 5800 is negligible except for the rear derailleur and shifter. For me I bought 105 sets because of the price point.. A part 400 euros, il y a t'il une grosse différence entre shimano 105 R7000 et ultegra R8000 les 2 groupes pour un amateur comme moi. Shimano Ultegra et 105, ainsi que le haut de gamme Dura-Ace représentent différents niveaux de niveau compétitif les composants de la route Shimano. I did read that about the span being more than an actual year. The answer is Ultegra. Go to your bike shop and have them check the chain and the derailleur alignment. For what it’s worth, if you’re looking for a noticeable improvement in shifting quality, a full overhaul at your current groupset (be that 105 or whatever) will give you the best bang for your buck. we’re probably due an update of the Dura Ace range next). S’il n’y a vraiment que le groupe comme différence , ma reco sera exactement la même que celle de Jean Christophe. The same trend is appearing in hydraulic disc brakes and changes to the electronic shifting (current model Shimano hydraulic disc brakes are not attached to any groupset, the first groupset to get its own disc brakes will be Dura-Ace). Whether that’s important, one must judge for oneself. It’s considered a “new road” bike, both the 105 and Ultegra versions have hydraulic disc brakes (yay) the one in 105 comes in a puke green, while the Ultegra comes in a muted grey. Monty is an enthusiastic road cyclist with only moderate talent. Before changing anything I would look for the real problem. Les câbles sont plus basique sur le 105, je crois... Est ce que ça vaut 200€ ? I have been searching for awhile and my head is spinning. je pense que tu as eu des problèmes suite à des défauts d'entretien. Permalink. Also the cables stretch. how stupid is that? However I suspect that the 105 would have been fine for many years of fun and excitement. Maybe, for once, the trickledown effect of high spec features gradually moving down the price spectrum won’t apply in the case of 105 electrification. These are just some points to consider. Circle diameter where bolts for chainrings should be is the same for both and means that all chainring sizes are compatible. The 40 cog is aftermarket, and I took out the 11 cog to make it work. Inversement , le 105 est-il suffisant ? And I am not a purist. The shifting is so precise you don’t need Di2 and that was a bonus. The derailleur started as a Ultegra di2 (small cage) which is modified with a Deore long cage. 10s 105 or Ultegra can be used with XT deore cassettes (sometimes derailleur needs to be changed) and this can allow expanded gear ratios for climbing. Hey all, Thank you for your contributions. Chains and cassettes wear out a lot faster than derailleurs. Retour au forum Route > Matériel Bas de page. I am also looking at a Colnago CLX 3.0 Ultegra 2015. Then you start looking into gears a bit more. And it lets one run a larger range cassette. I am very happy to be corrected, but from my understanding of Shimano, and what I have seen posted here, this year’s Ultegra are next year’s 105 – so the 2017 105 should equal (or exceed?) I am on the fence on paying up if it’s not too big of a difference. Le groupe 105 a souvent attiré a curiosité pour son tarif accessible, rarement pour son look ou ses performances. The difference between BIKE model years is in the frame colors, sometimes the changes in a couple parts, and every so often a major frame redesign (in the specific example the Trek Silque 2017 model has Trek’s “IsoSpeed” decoupler applied to the headtube). Ultegra uses different materials in some places. I ride about 80-150 miles a week June – October and hope to do some century rides. It looks like because of the way this is written / appearance on Google that a lot of newer cyclists are taking “yesterdays Ultegra is today’s 105” literally. What is your skill level and how much riding will you do? there is no difference that would give rise to a different shifting experience in reality (I studied mechanical engineering degree level at university, I have reasonably trained opinion I think). On espérait une version électrique en DI2, il faudra encore attendre. Shimano 105 R7000 : des prestations de qualité Le groupe Shimano 105 R7000 reprend les technologies clés des groupes plus haut de gamme Ultegra et Dura-Ace, ainsi qu’un design très similaire, faisant de ce groupe une transmission performante à un prix accessible. La transmission Shimano 105 a pour philosophie de mettre la technologie Shimano à portée de tous. The price difference between 105 and Ultegra is about $300 dollars. I happened to run into a 2015 Cannondale Synapse 3 the other day, for $2150. But also, friend, it doesn’t matter. I think that by comparing complete groupsets you are doing everyone a disfavor. The 105 5800 groupset I bought complete with wheels and tyres for £230 was a real bargain and I found that overall it performed better than my ultegra 6700 groupset except that the brakes are not as well finished. Bon, tu peux avoir des moments de pas de chance, mais les uns à la suite des autres comme ça, je soupçonne que le suivi mécanique aurait dû être plus poussé. Once you find the problem change the chain and cassette then adjust alignment and the B screw. Both are very quick checks. Fatigue would show as a ‘set’ as a permanent sag, simply not there at all. Also braking performance and feel, which of course is really important over the long haul. I am not certain if I should spend the money now for the upgraded bike. We awarded both Shimano 105 and Ultegra 10/10 for performance, and we give out very few 10/10 marks. I think I prefer the proportions of the crankset. Which I suppose makes sense since one is two years old (but is new). To take a left-field view on all this; people are talking of buying a different sized bike, to get Ultegra, but the most important this is how the bike fits you. The newest 105 is very slick and, I suspect, the best value of all Shimano groupsets for serious cyclists. What model Ultegra can I upgrade to as parts begin to fail? That’s another question, and something I’m, going to find out (and REI gives you a few months to try it out, then you can still return it, thus my snapping up the bargain price without having a bike there to try out on the spot-REI is a seriously great company!!). In other words, when a 105 component wears out on your bike, should you take opportunity to upgrade to Ultegra? Ride faster and further, and have more fun on your bike. L'ultegra allège un peu le vélo mais également le compte en banque ! Still have the 105 calipers, so I think that is the only remnant of the original groupset. The front caliper is nearly hosed, so looking to upgrade, and for $90 shipped I can have Ultegra 8600 calipers. For the time being, only Ultegra and it’s pro-sibling Dura-Ace have electronic rather than mechanical gear shifts. If it were me, and once again assuming the online bike is used, I would go with the Local Bike Shop. Posted 11 years ago Thank you for any advise I greatly appreciate it. See, I told you it wasn’t clear but. I have a solution for you: I madez a YouTube on the subject. Seriously, how practical is that? That said, i will report back when I get some conclusive impressions. Other features (frame, wheelset) can move the price point of the whole range, independent of groupset. I did that with a Cannondale and eventually it was 95% Ultegra, the bottom bracket just kept on turning. If you are just getting started, it will not make a difference. The bike at $1750 is a size 52 and the bike online at $1100.00 is size 54. Some misc thoughts: Titanium frames are essentially permanent; ie, there is actually zero measurable loss of resilience over time, especially from the miniscule stresses a bike frame feels, compared to radical loads of say an airplane. I’m also from Yorkshire and therefore have deep pockets and short arms. These are links to online stores such as Amazon, Wiggle and Chain Reaction. I have tried this myself and can vouch for it. Mais là aussi des soucis, fin de l'hiver même après changement de cables et réglage par le vélociste (dont je ne mets pas en doute le savoir-faire), le 52/11 passait toujours pas bien. Size is most important of the factors you mentioned. The alignment is a quick adjustment. Not all these mods are available with 11s yet. Thank you! Showing the actual prices just complicates things further.). If Dura-Ace is the top of Shimano’s range of groupsets for road bikes (don’t worry, it is), Ultegra occupies second place in the list; 105 is third. Shimano dévoile une nouveauté en ce début de printemps avec le nouveau groupe Shimano 105 R7000. As much as we may protest, we enjoy purchasing gifts for our bikes. Cycliste amateur (2000 km/an), j'envisage de reéquiper mon cadre avec un groupe "moderne". Case in point, the Trek Domane range is no longer a good example – whatever tech they’ve put into it means the frame is quite expensive and savings are made by speccing the equivalent bike to mine (the SL4) with some Tiagra components. (okay, I couldn’t be bothered to Google what it stands for). It means a lot of constant shifting and often over two cogs. Shimano brought out a new version of its 105 groupset in 2018, but how does it compare to the top of the range Dura-Ace? Maybe 11 speed is it. There has to be a limit to rear wheel spacing and a limit to the number of gears that are useful. 11s is the new norm and you will be able to easily get parts further into the future than 10s. Your logic is impeccable and it is exactly what manufacturers want you to think; whether it be a bike, a car or a computer. The dents also reveal how many carbon frames might have been trashed in those years. The different combos of what might comprise your chosen groupset (e.g disc brakes versus rim) makes trying to come up with a useful summary very difficult. ultegra-change a couple of materials to save a haircut in weight, tiagra-put 10 teeth on the ratchet wheel instead of 11. i’m considering a Cannondale Slate. And like a cyclist in a pan of gradually heating water, you don’t really notice each incremental improvement. I’m a little late getting in on this, but I just got a bike with Ultegra 6800, and wanted to chime in. Now we find ourselves with R7000 (the current 105) as Shimano’s most recent update (of this higher-end trifecta), and people talking about Dura-Ace being due the next upgrade. Je dis comme les autres intervenants: si c'est la seule différence, garde ton argent pour mettre des meilleures roues /pneus, qui vont vraiment améliores ton vélo. I’ve got full Ultegra 6800 11 speed, mostly because I bought a year-end clearance Giant for $200 less than my LBS was selling a Domane with 105 10 speed. I subsequently found a decent deal on used Di2 electronics and was able to slap them on. As Jantzen says it is only one extra gear. In the case of LJ’s specific example, it’s pretty easy to decide: just ride both and then choose the one she likes more, since she is comparing two complete bikes with different designs. You talked about wheels and I strongly agree that lighter wheels make a huge performance and fun improvement. Interesting and thoughtful comment. I am trying to choose between a 2015 Cannodale CAAD 10 105 for $1100 or a Cannondale CAAD 10 with Ultegra for $1750. My other wheelsets use proper cartridge bearings all round and never need adjustment, so for my next project (another titanium frame) I will buy up a new just taken off a bike 105 groupset and try and find some good used wheels. Comme dit , je dis pas que le 105 est mauvais, je dis que j'ai fait une mauvaise expérience, sans doute en partie de mon fait. 105 weighs 200g more, all else being equal), which in the grand scheme of anything other than pro cycling is kind of irrelevant. Crankset / chainset – the bit the pedals attach to – chain rings, cranks – that sort of thing; Derailleurs – the bits that move the chain between the different chainrings (at the front) and the various cogs of the cassette (at the back); Shifters – attached to the handlebars – the bit you manipulate with your hands; Cassette – the bit in the middle of your back wheel – lots of teeth; The Giant Defy Advanced 2020 model costs £1,949 ($2,514) with Shimano 105 and £2,199 ($2,837) with Ultegra (£250 difference for the hard of mathing); Canyon’s Endurace CF SL Disc 7.0 with Shimano 105 is £2,099 ($2,708) and the Ultegra-equipped Endurace CF SL Disc 8.0 is £2,699 ($3,482). Most full groupsets are bought in conjunction with a new bike. All dressed up with tires and cassettes both sets come in under 6 #. Do the two extra gears on the 5800 make a lot of difference compared to the 5700.? Campagnolo claims that superior machining techniques result in a silent chain that won't lose traction at connection points. And I am comparing 105 5700 with Ultegra the Ultegra 6800. Pedals are lighter, wider, and Shimano bearings have never failed me. Beaucoup trop de chiffres sur … If the upgraded bike is 11s and the online one 10s there is a slight value to the LBS bike. Abonnement aux newsletters L'Ultégra à "plus de" comme dit Monsieur Shi, mais je me demande si ça vaut la peine. If your bike shop doesn’t find anything wrong, try having them shorten the chain by one pair of links. This is quite an expensive way of doing things: an extra £20-30 per component soon adds up. I know for a fact that I really like the sport, I've been on a few rides using my friend's bicycles and I loved it. That time occurs before you buy your bike, roughly a week after you’ve bought your bike, then on a weekly basis until you cycle off this mortal coil. It came with 105. Is any of the upgrades worth? If your chain is at or very close to 0.75% stretched change it. We marked Ultegra 7/10 for value while giving 105 9/10 courtesy of offering a very similar level of performance at a significantly lower price. Also, as before, I’ve just converted the GBP prices to USD. I’m not a pro rider and I just use my bike for city riding. Currently I am riding a 20 year old mountain bike on paved trails. Là, j'ai repéré une K7 Shimano en 12-28 (idéal pour grimper les cols qui présentent une corrélation entre beaux et raides ) mais : - mes dérailleurs (avant tout comme arrière) sont du Shimano Ultegra (arrière 10v) - ma chaîne est du Shimano Ultegra 10v - la K7 que j'ai repérée est du Shimano 105 (10v) Anyway, to aid comprehension, here’s a little table I knocked up to show the range numbers of the current and prior generations of top end Shimano groupsets: The dates show the ‘model year’ for when each new generation was launched. I say go with your heart, not your wallet. Ultegra components are lighter than 105 components, making climbing easier. En mettant la technologie à la portée de tous, SHIMANO 105 continuera de motiver toujours plus de cyclistes à repousser leurs limites. If not then they are likely ok and I wouldn’t change them. Well, have a squiz at the full groupset images above. (Fun fact, Shimano put index shifting first in entry level models pre-1984, it was an abysmal failure until they put it in their top of the line Dura-Ace). When you are due for chain and cassette replacement switch to ultegra. A t0, les différences sont minimes... avec l'usure, le 105 prend un peu plus de jeu que l'Ultegra, qui prend un peu plus de jeu que le DuraAce... et le vieillissement est aussi visuellement plus perceptible. Sometimes it’ll change immediately, with hardly any noise, sometimes there will be a slight delay and a definite clunk when it goes. IMHO 105 vs Ultegra should not play a determining factor in your decision. In summary, both of them weigh about 2.5kg. D'où l'envie de passer à un autre groupe en espérant tomber sur une meilleure série... et avec un entretien nickel dès le départ je me dis que je serai moins embêté par le matériel. Mentions légales, Vérifie bien que la seule différence entre les deux vélos est entre les deux groupes 105 et Ultegra. Alors soit Cannondale a des groupes négociés par cher avec shim pour ses 1ere montes et je suis tombé sur une mauvaise série ou alors le 105 n'est plus ce qu'il était. As far as I know 11s road and mtn are not interchangeable. I sold the old parts. With the Ultegra’s, it is almost always an immediate shift and just enough feedback to know it went, but not enough to be annoying. C'est général dans l'industrie, pas spécialement propre au vélo, mais je ne vois pas pourquoi l'industrie du vélo y échapperait. I started Sportive Cyclist in 2013 to record my journey to RideLondon 100, my first 100-mile bike ride. Magazine, Photos If you like to show off with your Ultegra with its shinier finish fine. Yo! I’ve shown this photo before, but include it again for reasons of laziness. groupsets. Over time the blog has expanded to include training advice, gear reviews and road cycling tales, all from the perspective of a not-very-fit MAMIL. Mais plus tard je me suis aperçu que la version en Ultegra avait aussi un cintre plus haut de gamme, plus léger, une selle avec rails titane et pas acier, de meilleurs pneus.... Where to buy Shimano 105 and Ultegra components:http://tidd.ly/bb708aebhttp://amzn.to/2EuZZgjLet's talk about these components: https://goo.gl/aLujxw So, for instance, in the article, 11 speed first appears in 2012 in Dura-Ace (9000), then a year later in Ultegra (6800), and then two years later in 105 (5800) and has yet to appear in the Tiagra line (presumably the 4800). Shimano's concern with the 105 was to enhance difficult shifts — notably, inward shift in the back and outward shift in the front. The upgrade groupset parts as they become worn out. Ultegra & 105 are not lighter, but they are better using ‘SLR EV’ design. The bike at $1750.00 will have tax added to that price. Clearly if you want electronic shifting, then Ultegra is, for now, your only option. Since the model years overlap, Shimano maintains the difference in overlapping years in the form of weight (use slightly different metals/parts on the largest pieces to save weight) and finish (higher groupsets will look nicer and follow finishing trends/colors from the pro-peloton) as well as staggering the technology changes. merci, oui je vais mettre des mavic Kysyrium. And the price. I just did this on my Domane – new cables, cassette, chain, brake pads and chain rings – recorded in this series of YouTube videos – and the improvement has been amazing. J'ai eu des jantes creusées mais le groupe, lui, un changement de cables et de cassette au bout de 4 ans, sinon jamais rien de spécial. Regarding 10s vs 11s you likely won’t notice a difference. There has been plenty of discussion here on the differences (or non-differences) in components, so whether there is any genuine performance difference between the two product lines is a matter for conjecture. Quant au tarif, il reste très bien placé. I live and ride in the Sierra foothills and San Francisco Bay area, so I can use all the help gearing will give me. That’s the thing – the price is almost the same but the 2015 has Ultegra and the 2017 has 105. Thank you. Aide / FAQ, Votre publicité I have been looking at carbon fiber, Trek, Specialized and Cannondale…there’s so MANY options. Thank you. Bof, un peu d'huile sur mon 105, des entretiens faits à temps et roulez jeunesse, Monsieur Shi ne m'aura pas! Un peu plus de fluidité? (Brevet de Randonneur de l’Oisans), Choix entre shimano 105 R7000 et ultegra R8000. So it was a 35£ side grade. None the wiser, that’s where. Disons qu'il a surtout plus de prestige, mais le plus, ce sont tes jambes qui l'apporteront. Starting with a 105 group is a good idea. Ah, the million dollar £500 (or $700) question. Délai . Begin! Canyon, Cannondale and Specialized upgrade other components as you move up the range (wheels, for instance). Le design n’a pas grand chose à envier aux Dura-Ace et Ultegra. Let’s all make a commitment to lose a pound or two around our bellies. I went with carbon wheels, carbon frame, 105 gearset. Healthy disclaimer though – the prices seem a bit all over the place. If it is, I like the look of the Trek more but keep wanting the Cannondale because it has more expensive components and wheelset! Le 105 fait le job, et même très bien. Aluminum would have snapped long ago, with any flexing at all. If the upgraded bike has upgraded wheels that is a big value. Thanks Andrew. J'aime bien bricoler mais j'aime encore bien plus rouler. Chain only showed very little change, but the new chain and cassette had a very noticeable improvement. Of the the articles on the web, this one answered my question best about whether or not I’d made a mistake by purchasing a new Cannondale Synapse with 105 after 24 years of riding two bikes that had, in succession, a 1993 model bike with Shimano 600 (which I believe became Ultegra the next year) and just plain Ultra on my 2004 model bike. La nouvelle série ULTEGRA R8000 a été éprouvée sur le circuit professionnel. The 105 has a bit more ‘heft’. Ultimately, the mechanical systems within the Shimano 105 groupset are of a lower grade, meaning that this groupset does not shift as smoothly as Shimano Ultegra, nor does it last as long before parts start wearing out. My last bike had a Dura Ace 10-speed groupset, and the Ultegra brakes are better than those. Then another 10 years pass by and it’s time again, the right shifter wasn’t shifting that smooth anymore. It’s one extra. (Which I reckon is a song lyric waiting to be put to music*). There is your performance increase right there! I can tell the components aren’t as “shiny” but almost felt more at home with the 105. Go with what looks best to you and the one that is the most comfortable. That expression doesn’t come from literal year, but from model year. Vidéos There was no improvement in performance but the fun factor increased. Shimano Ultegra et 105, ainsi que le haut de gamme Dura-Ace représentent différents niveaux de niveau compétitif les composants de la route Shimano. pour avoir roulé avec tous les groupes shimano, le 105 est le mieux placé en terme de tarif pour un fonctionnement identique. Do you think it would be worth it? And you end up getting a bike with 105. 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